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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:41 pm 
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From The New York Times:
Published: December 24, 2008
By MICHAEL CIEPLY

LOS ANGELES — In a surprise ruling, a federal judge in Los Angeles said he intended to grant 20th Century Fox’s claim that it owns a copyright interest in the Watchmen, a movie shot by Warner Brothers and Legendary Pictures and set for release in March.

The decision was disclosed in a five-page written order issued on Wednesday. Gary A. Feess, a judge in the United States District Court for Central California, said he would provide a more detailed order soon.

Fox has been seeking to prevent Warner from releasing the film. The superhero adventure, based on the Watchmen graphic novel, is being directed by Zack Snyder (who also directed 300) and has shaped up as one of most eagerly anticipated releases for next year.

A Warner spokesman, Scott Rowe, declined to comment on the ruling and the studio’s plans.

At an earlier hearing, the judge said he believed that issues in the case could be settled only at a trial, which was scheduled for late January. On Wednesday, however, Judge Feess said he had reconsidered and concluded that Fox should prevail on crucial issues.

“Fox owns a copyright interest consisting of, at the very least, the right to distribute the Watchmen motion picture,” the ruling said.

Fox acquired rights to the Watchmen graphic novel in the late 1980s for the producer Lawrence Gordon, but eventually dropped its own plan to make a movie from its story, about the underside of life for superbeings.

Mr. Gordon later pursued the project with Universal Pictures, and then with Paramount Pictures, before shooting it with Warner and Legendary under an arrangement that allows Paramount to distribute the film abroad.

In ruling on Wednesday, Judge Feess advised both Fox and Warner to look toward a settlement or an appeal.

“The parties may wish to turn their efforts from preparing for trial to negotiating a resolution of this dispute or positioning the case for review,” he said.


Shaf's take: My guess is that this is some grandstanding by Fox, in an attempt to get a slice of the box office/video take from Warner. It does seem dickish on Fox's part, however, since they dropped development plans years ago and waited until the movie had been shot before launching the suit.


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it would be cool if it never got settled and this movie was never shown to the public. :braindead:

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marc wrote:
it would be cool if it never got settled and this movie was never shown to the public. :braindead:


Or Warner could "accidentally" release it to the web (for free) to screw Fox out of any profit. I have read rumors that there was an effort to re-edit the 163-minutes-long-R-rated epic to a shorter PG-13 version. It this is true, maybe the R version could find its way onto the interwebs.


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An update from SCI FI Wire:
12:00 AM, 30-DECEMBER-08

An attorney for 20th Century Fox says the studio will continue to seek an order delaying the release of Watchmen, the Associated Press reported.

U.S. District Court Judge Gary Feess last week agreed with Fox that Warner Brothers had infringed its copyright by developing and shooting the superhero movie, scheduled for release March 6.

Feess said on Dec. 29 he plans to hold a trial Jan. 20 to decide remaining issues.

Fox claims it never fully relinquished story rights from its deal made in the late 1980s, and sued Warner in February. Warner contended Fox isn't entitled to distribution.

Warner said in a statement released Monday afternoon that it still thinks Fox's case has "no merit" and that it will win the case, either at trial or through an appeal.


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This still boils down to underhanded doings by FOX. Honestly, do you really think they knew nothing of the development of this movie prior to its completion?
They let WB spend their dough and now hope to get in on some the distribution and profits. Very dirty pool.

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Best analogy I've read so far is that, like in home construction, Warner should have made sure that the "deed was clear" before starting to build on the property. Fox, on the other hand, stood by and watched Warner constructing and didn't say a word until (almost) moving day.

It sounds like both parties have a case, which means, the fans will probably suffer the most.


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The release will be delayed and that will only build on the anticipation. When it finally opens, due to the I'm sure upcoming agreement between FOX and WB, whether court mandated or not, it will be a huge opening weekend and do very well if not in theaters on video. The 2 studios will undoubtedly share in the profits and both sides will in the end feel fine about the outcome.

The battle can do nothing but help this movie and both studios.

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Well, that's the best-case scenario (movie delayed during litigation, Warner agrees to share profits and Fox relents). Hopefully, that's the way it'll play out.


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Just to remind you what the fuss is about, here is a Watchmen featurette:

Video here


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:58 pm 
Oh yes Fox, they are the EA of the movie business.

They so screwed over Whedon and any chance of future Serenity/Firefly movies or series.

I agree that WB should of waited. They were hoping no one would notice they made the movie?


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Lloyd Levin, one of the producers of WB's Watchmen, has published an open letter on the current legal battles with Fox regarding rights to make a "Watchmen" adaptation. As noted by Drew McWeeny of hitfix.com It all boils down to two separate agreements. There's a 1991 quitclaim that was issued by Fox, and then a 1994 turnaround agreement, and when the federal judge issues his verdict on January 20th, those are the two things he'll be considering.

Here's the letter:
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Watchmen. A producer's perspective.

An open letter.

Who is right? In the Watchmen dispute between Warner Brothers and Fox that question is being discussed, analyzed, argued, tried and ruled on in a court of law. That's one way to answer the question - It is a fallback position in our society for parties in conflict to resolve disputes. And there are teams of lawyers and a highly regarded Federal Judge trying to do just that, which obviates any contribution I could make towards answering the "who is right" question within a legal context. But after 15 plus years of involvement in the project, and a decade more than that working in the movie business, I have another perspective, a personal perspective that I believe important to have on the public record.

No one is more keenly aware of the irony of this dispute than Larry Gordon and I who have been trying to get this movie made for many years. There's a list of people who have rejected the viability of a movie based on Alan Moore and Dave Gibbon's classic graphic novel that reads like a who's who of Hollywood.

We've been told the graphic novel is unfilmable.

After 9/11 some felt the story's themes were too close to reality ever to be palatable to a mainstream audience.

There were those who considered the project but who wished it were somehow different: Could it be a buddy movie, or a team-up movie or could it focus on one main character; did it have to be so dark; did so many people have to die; could it be stripped of its flashback structure; could storylines be eliminated; could new storylines be invented; did it have to be so long; could the blue guy put clothes on... The list of dissatisfactions for what Watchmen is was as endless as the list of suggestions to make it something it never was.

Also endless are the list of studio rejections we accrued over the years. Larry and I developed screenplays at five different studios. We had two false starts in production on the movie. We were involved with prominent and commercial directors. Big name stars were interested. In one instance hundreds of people were employed, sets were being built - An A-list director and top artists in the industry were given their walking papers when the studio financing the movie lost faith.

After all these years of rejection, this is the same project, the same movie, over which two studios are now spending millions of dollars contesting ownership. Irony indeed, and then some.

Through the years, inverse of the lack of studio faith has been the passionate belief by many many individuals - movie professionals who were also passionate fans of the graphic novel - who, yes, wanted to work on the film, but more for reasons of just wanting to see the movie get made, to see this movie get made and made right, donated their time and talent to help push the film forward: Writers gave us free screenplay drafts; conceptual art was supplied by illustrators, tests were performed gratis by highly respected actors and helped along and put together by editors, designers, prop makers and vfx artists; we were the recipients of donated studio and work space, lighting and camera equipment. Another irony, given the commercial stakes implied by the pitched legal dispute between Fox and Warners, is that for years Watchmen has been a project that has survived on the fumes of whatever could be begged, borrowed and stolen - A charity case for all intents and purposes. None of that effort, none of that passion and emotional involvement, is considered in the framework of this legal dispute.

From my point of view, the flashpoint of this dispute, came in late spring of 2005. Both Fox and Warner Brothers were offered the chance to make Watchmen. They were submitted the same package, at the same time. It included a cover letter describing the project and its history, budget information, a screenplay, the graphic novel, and it made mention that a top director was involved.

And it's at this point, where the response from both parties could not have been more radically different.

The response we got from Fox was a flat "pass." That's it. An internal Fox email documents that executives there felt the script was one of the most unintelligible pieces of $%^& they had read in years. Conversely, Warner Brothers called us after having read the script and said they were interested in the movie - yes, they were unsure of the screenplay, and had many questions, but wanted to set a meeting to discuss the project, which they promptly did. Did anyone at Fox ask to meet on the movie? No. Did anyone at Fox express any interest in the movie? No. Express even the slightest interest in the movie? Or the graphic novel? No.

From there, the executives at Warner Brothers, who weren't yet completely comfortable with the movie, made a deal to acquire the movie rights and we all started to creatively explore the possibility of making Watchmen. We discussed creative approaches and started offering the movie to directors, our former director having moved on by then. After a few director submissions, Zack Snyder came onboard, well before the release of his movie 300. In fact, well before its completion. This was a gut, creative call by Larry, me and the studio... Zack didn't have a huge commercial track record, yet we all felt he was the right guy for the movie.

Warner Brothers continued to support, both financially and creatively, the development of the movie. And eventually, after over a year of work, they agreed to make the film, based on a script that, for what it's worth, was by and large very similar to the one Fox initially read and deemed an unintelligible piece of $%^&.

Now here's the part that has to be fully appreciated, if for nothing more than providing insight into producing movies in Hollywood: The Watchmen script was way above the norm in length, near 150 pages, meaning the film could clock in at close to 3 hours, the movie would not only be R rated but a hard R - for graphic violence and explicit sex - would feature no stars, and had a budget north of $100M. We also asked Warner Brothers to support an additional 1 to 1.5 hours of content incurring additional cost that would tie in with the movie but only be featured in DVD iterations of the film. Warners supported the whole package and I cannot begin to emphasize how ballsy and unprecedented a move this was on the part of a major Hollywood studio. Unheard of. And would another studio in Hollywood, let alone a studio that didn't show one shred of interest in the movie, not one, have taken such a risk? Would they ever have made such a commitment, a commitment to a film that defied all conventional wisdom?

Only the executives at Fox can answer that question. But if they were to be honest, their answer would have to be "No."

Shouldn't Warner Brothers be entitled to the spoils - if any -- of the risk they took in supporting and making Watchmen? Should Fox have any claim on something they could have had but chose to neither support nor show any interest in?

Look at it another way... One reason the movie was made was because Warner Brothers spent the time, effort and money to engage with and develop the project. If Watchmen was at Fox the decision to make the movie would never have been made because there was no interest in moving forward with the project.

Does a film studio have the right to stand in the way of an artistic endeavor and determine that it shouldn't exist? If the project had been sequestered at Fox, if Fox had any say in the matter, Watchmen simply wouldn't exist today, and there would be no film for Fox to lay claim on. It seems beyond cynical for the studio to claim ownership at this point.

By his own admission, Judge Feess is faced with an extremely complex legal case, with a contradictory contractual history, making it difficult to ascertain what is legally right. Are there circumstances here that are more meaningful, which shed light on what is ultimately just, to be taken into account when assessing who is right? In this case, what is morally right, beyond the minutiae of decades-old contractual semantics, seems clear cut.

For the sake of the artists involved, for the hundreds of people, executives and filmmakers, actors and crew, who invested their time, their money, and dedicated a good portion of their lives in order to bring this extraordinary project to life, the question of what is right is clear and unambiguous - Fox should stand down with its claim.

My father, who was a lawyer and a stickler for the minutiae of the law, was always quick to teach me that the determination of what is right and wrong was not the sole purview of the courts. I bet someone at Fox had a parent like mine who instilled the same sense of fairness and justice in them.

Lloyd Levin


On Friday, 1/9/09 Fox Issued this official statement:
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We appreciate Mr. Levin’s passion for this project, but he has neglected basic facts and legal rulings.

Fox notified Warner Bros. of our rights in this project months before production on the film began -- they chose to ignore our rights on this occasion and several times after that and proceeded at their own risk. Only after having our rights in the film deliberately ignored by Warner Bros. did we take the action of filing litigation in order to have those rights recognized.

Finally, on Judge Feess’ Christmas Eve order, he specifically ruled that WB had been timely notified and that Fox, in fact, had the rights that we’ve always asserted. There is no question of who is right and who is wrong. That has been decided through the litigation that we had hoped to avoid, and we refer interested parties to the court’s ruling to confirm these statements.


Thanks, again, to Drew McWeeny of hitfix.com


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Hmm very, VERY interesting. So WB is truly in the wrong. Wow..I almost feel bad for all the bad things I said about FOX.

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The Watchmen ownership saga has taken another (though somewhat predictable) turn...
From SCI FI Wire:
Jan 14, 2009

A scheduled Tuesday court conference between Fox and Warner Brothers attorneys has been canceled, fueling talk that a settlement in the contentious Watchmen case is imminent, according to The Hollywood Reporter.

Fox sued Warners last February, saying the Burbank-based studio infringed on its rights to make the comic-book adaptation. In December, when federal judge Gary A. Feess ruled that Fox has distribution rights to the film, Warners faced the prospect of having the film's March 6 release blocked.

Settlement talks between the two sides became serious over the weekend and continued to heat up yesterday.

A settlement could cost Warners tens of millions of dollars. A case involving copyright ownership of Warners' The Dukes of Hazzard, which Feess blocked from release in 2005, ended in a settlement worth a reported $17.5 million.


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Looks like a settlement (between Fox and WB) is in process. This from The Hollywood Reporter:
January 15, 2009

The parties involved in the "Watchmen" dispute filed a notice of settlement status yesterday in court, making it official that settlement talks are making progress.

According to the filing, the parties are "continuing to address a few remaining settlement issues" and have requested a hearing today at 3:30 PM "to report on a final resolution or, alternatively, to discuss how to proceed on January 20, 2009." Nothing like deadlines to get the ball rolling.


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